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June 16, 2006

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Gary Ashwill

I totally agree. Interestingly, the first publication of NeL stats by SABR's Negro League Committee, in the Baseball Research Journal in the 1980s, adopted an approach like this, with one column for league games, another for all games (against top black competition). I've never seen systematic compilations of games against white semipro teams. Ultimately all the games should be counted in some form.

Scott Simkus

One suggestion I have, which might satisfy both the sabermetric types (who wish to have the means by which to evaluate players, teams and entire leagues), as well the "old schoolers" who like big, raw baseball numbers, is to create a different model for the way in which we view the Negro Leagues. In my humble opinion, we make a mistake when we insist on trying to sandwich these leagues into the "MLB box." It's almost as if the first generation researchers have been apologetic that these teams didn't play 154 official league games (witness the ridiculous "hr/550" ab stat). Fact is, the NeLs were an entirely different animal than the MLB; more closely resembling today's NCAA athletics than anything else. Like a Division 1 Duke basketball team, for instance, they played a schedule of league games against league opponents of comparable ability, plus an entire schedule of contests against non-league opponents of varying talent (Duke versus non-league Division 1, 2 & 3 opponents; Duke versus the Czech National Team, for that matter). As Buck O'Neil has been famously quoted, "Don't take those games away from us." Perhaps the third generation of researchers will gather ALL games, then list the standings in side-by-side columns: a team's league record and next to it, their overall record against all competition, with corresponding statistics for league games as well as overall schedule. Could this possibly solve the dilemma of what to do with the multitude of box scores from exhibition games? While on the subject, and taking the NCAA model a step further, there's the idea of separating the high level independent teams (the Homestead Grays for many years, which operated along the lines of Notre Dame football- outside the constraints of a formal league, but playing at a high level against all levels of competition). Getting tired, maybe thinking too hard here.

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