« lincoln giants in cuba, 1912 | Main | padrón, morán update »

June 16, 2006


Gary Ashwill

I totally agree. Interestingly, the first publication of NeL stats by SABR's Negro League Committee, in the Baseball Research Journal in the 1980s, adopted an approach like this, with one column for league games, another for all games (against top black competition). I've never seen systematic compilations of games against white semipro teams. Ultimately all the games should be counted in some form.

Scott Simkus

One suggestion I have, which might satisfy both the sabermetric types (who wish to have the means by which to evaluate players, teams and entire leagues), as well the "old schoolers" who like big, raw baseball numbers, is to create a different model for the way in which we view the Negro Leagues. In my humble opinion, we make a mistake when we insist on trying to sandwich these leagues into the "MLB box." It's almost as if the first generation researchers have been apologetic that these teams didn't play 154 official league games (witness the ridiculous "hr/550" ab stat). Fact is, the NeLs were an entirely different animal than the MLB; more closely resembling today's NCAA athletics than anything else. Like a Division 1 Duke basketball team, for instance, they played a schedule of league games against league opponents of comparable ability, plus an entire schedule of contests against non-league opponents of varying talent (Duke versus non-league Division 1, 2 & 3 opponents; Duke versus the Czech National Team, for that matter). As Buck O'Neil has been famously quoted, "Don't take those games away from us." Perhaps the third generation of researchers will gather ALL games, then list the standings in side-by-side columns: a team's league record and next to it, their overall record against all competition, with corresponding statistics for league games as well as overall schedule. Could this possibly solve the dilemma of what to do with the multitude of box scores from exhibition games? While on the subject, and taking the NCAA model a step further, there's the idea of separating the high level independent teams (the Homestead Grays for many years, which operated along the lines of Notre Dame football- outside the constraints of a formal league, but playing at a high level against all levels of competition). Getting tired, maybe thinking too hard here.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been saved. Comments are moderated and will not appear until approved by the author. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.


Post a comment

Comments are moderated, and will not appear until the author has approved them.

Your Information

(Name is required. Email address will not be displayed with the comment.)

Tip Jar


Tip Jar

Other Projects

Important Posts


Blog powered by Typepad